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Stories with True Names

Seeking stories, fairy tales and parables with the "True Name" Pattern in them

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What is a True Name?

In Le Guin's fictional universe, to know the true name of an object or a person is to have power over it.[7][73] Each child is given a true name when they reach puberty, a name which they share only with close friends.[80] Several of the dragons in the later Earthsea novels, like Orm Embar and Kalessin, are shown as living openly with their names, which do not give anybody power over them.[7][81] In A Wizard of Earthsea, however, Ged is shown to have power over Yevaud. Cadden writes that this is because Yevaud still has attachment to riches and material possessions, and is thus bound by the power of his name.[81] Wizards exert their influence over the equilibrium through the use of names, thus linking this theme to Le Guin's depiction of a cosmic balance. According to Cummins, this is Le Guin's way of demonstrating the power of language in shaping reality. Since language is the tool we use for communicating about the environment, she argues that it also allows humans to affect the environment, and the wizards' power to use names symbolizes this.[82] Cummins went on to draw an analogy between the a wizard's use of names to change things with the creative use of words in fictional writing.[80] Shippey wrote that Earthsea magic seems to work through what he called the "Rumpelstiltskin theory", in which names have power. He argued that this portrayal was part of Le Guin's effort to emphasize the power of words over objects, which, according to Shippey, was in contrast to the ideology of other fantasy writers, such as James Frazer in The Golden Bough.[83] Esmonde argued that each of the first three Earthsea books hinged on an act of trust. In A Wizard of Earthsea, Vetch trusts Ged with his true name when the latter is at his lowest ebb emotionally, thus giving Ged complete power over himself. Ged later offers Tenar the same gift in The Tombs of Atuan, thereby allowing her to learn trust.[84]

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cc: #cypherspace #content-addressability

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@dan %De7eNzvKKy9ZVYGAAh0+BdF+dN+LV5BwC+urnvnUgjU=.sha256

@nanomonkey omg - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name#In_popular_culture

that is the exact type of list I was hoping to compile :smiley:

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@dan %Y2iZVjTRx9AyU1M5wHAxImE82N32SNj2+CtH7edBmDE=.sha256

Could someone quote d mohan ghosh's responses as they are outside of my range :smiley:

Thanks @Zach! this is exactly the type of gold I was hoping to sift and filter!

todo need to find out if rumpelstiltskin like stories are present across cultures and continents...

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@dan hassan the 72 names of god is easily enough entropy for a encryption key. Many people have tried to decrypt the messages, including Isaac Newton but as far as I know, no one has succeeded. Surely god uses authenticated encryption though right?

Also, this paper claims that phylogenetic analysis suggests rumplestiltskin is at least 4000 years old, present in proto-indoeuropean cultures

Also, make sure you read the Functional Magic and True Name TV Tropes pages.

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It occured to me the other day, that if you don't have writing, you don't really need to have names for letters (or thus sounds). The connection between a name and a thing would seem much more magical.

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@nanomonkey that is an interesting article... I wonder if there is some material that backs up that angle that was created after anthropologists stopped using the term "savage" though. I can kinda imagine that there were a lot of misconceptions going around... and those might have led western observers to see what they wanted to see.

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Thanks all for the contributions. I am interested to hear from other cultures. I am going to ask some Fijian friends to hear if they have similar concepts and themes... what about China? South America? Russia? Would be neat to have versions from across the globe to reference back to :)D

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千与千寻 里有白龙想起名字的一说

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Spirited Away

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The main characters name is taken from her when she enters the service of Yubaba. The image above is Yubaba stealing Chihiro's true name, and after she leaves her only with a fragment - Sen.
To break free of her contract, Sen has to get her True Name back.

Sen isn't the only character this has happened to in the story - spoilers!

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@mix I LOVE that small snapshot animation...

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Linked to this thread::

Skin Names and the attempted erasure of violent colonisation

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another name i have come across in and around true name is deep name. i like this more than true name i think.

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