An immediate answer I guess much of this comes down to personal preference.

How I feel politically...

I think its important to bring into the discussion the more general feeling of 'living with precarity' that is certainly a common conversation at the moment.

Wavering social support structures in many countries, deconstruction of 'welfare' or social security alongside the rise of the 'gig' economy, zero-hours contracts and a rise in self-employment are all playing into a normalisation of precarity.

I'd argue that running the social multisig more like a UBI can have a countering affect to that. It can decrease a sense of precarity and increase a sense of control over ones own path, both financially and developmentally.

How I feel emotionally...

My structure is all out the window, but I fit in what I can when I can at the moment. But cognitively I'm in it more than I am sending messages / engaging in dialogue / pushing code. Lots of research has happened while on the move. But it does mean I'm more haphazard and unpredictable. But I know this is a temporary state of affairs and I will go back to having a pretty steady routine when I return home, and I will likely spend more than the currently state 'weekly' time on the work.

How I feel about prior situations...

@mix has stepped back for a few weeks while he's busy working on another project, and hasn't been getting MMT pay, but generally intends to be on the MMT team, and has continued attending weekly meetings and spending hours on various MMT stuff.

When @mix stepped back I felt like he could have stayed on and I would have been happy about that.

I got sick for a week and realised that, in the absence of any agreement about sick leave, I'd feel better about taking the time off I needed if I could pause being paid for that time. (I am used to working as a contractor).

@Alanna I feel like when we're ill there should be a common recognition of acceptance of pay and of need for recovery time.

Just a quick one.

This strikes me as an interesting set of experiments? Until we design and run those I'd suggest a LBI (localised basic income) this can be 100% or 50% - whatever. I am of the opinion everyone should always be gathering something as value exists through virtue of being in the project. I know the project has been invading your dreamspace by now

Ok, have a bit more time now on the road between nadi -> suva (ssb just works #offline example #1234)

My vision for a future of "Universal Basic Income" is one in which there is a federation of Local versions of a UBI. My vision is also on Sufficiency rather than Basic. At a push it might be Abundance but I have been sufficiently convinced to alter my thinking on that.

With this in mind then part of the dream of collectively governed community resources I would love if mmt crew could experiment with this.

To my mind then it would be interesting to run an experiment for... a longer period - say 4 experiment cycles (8 weeks) where there is a localised basic regardless of what else is going on in our lives. This might be 1 day per week which is paid regardless.

I find the contractor compartmentalisation the most intuitive given this is the realm that I have come from (billable hours with a fixed amount and fixed deliverables with a feedback loop to adjust expectations based on unfolding realities). On the other hand this approach often felt kind of arbitrary to me - I knew I'd speak to people about my work, I'd dream about it, I'd stairwell thought about it. Were these billable hours? Were these valorised?

And what about the efforts of those around me who have helped to reproduce me - who have put up with me when I've brought some negative vibes due to an upsetting thing which has happened during "work-hours", who have listened to my worries over cups of tea?

In reality I have poked each person here because I think you are excellent humans who would keep turning up. In reality I also knew you were all the dreamers of this new strange landscape - it doesn't quite feel right to say - this week I did 30 mins work - I don't buy that. In the basic case of @mix and @Alanna I'd put a healthy wager on that fact that mmt comes up around the dinner table sometimes, or even perhaps over a ziva nappy change. I bet it has come up in conversations which have picked up ambient reverberations of something happening at the mmt firehose on ssb...

Lastly, for me this is the work. By this I mean - hacking and tinkering with systems, approaches, tools and configurations which lead to different performative possibilities. Which expand a commons of spaciousness of subjectivity and move away from amplifying an enclosure of alienation and bad feeling. Sitting down to "calculate" the minutes I have spent on a project, sitting down at the end of the day filling in a timesheet is a bad time (and do you count the minutes to fill in that timesheet as work? How meta can the timesheet go?). Knowing there is a baseline seems to me a spacious expansion of a commons of space and good/better feelings.

cc: @Kieran @peg

@Alanna "At the same time, I think @Dan Hassan 's thinking about MMT pay has been a bit down the UBI-like path in the sense of "I'd like to trade these coins for chunk of your time, attention, and work capacity for six months" without being too exact."

Yes, this was how I initially envisioned the agreement. This of course is now collectively open to hacking as part of this initial 6 months has been to transform from "me" -> "we".

@peg "I dont have a concrete proposal, just want to say that its great that we are discussing this as a group."

+1

"But if we would someday have some other source of funds we could think about that differently."

I wasn't sure when we set sail if we'd find land to recoup our larders, but our recent clarity has given me the firm opinion that there are pots of treasure out there to keep sailing the ship relation into uncharted territories...

Proposal: Work on a UBI-like system where people get paid their weekly rate even if their hours vary or they are off sick for a little while. Allow individuals to request changes, such as pausing payments for a time or changing their committed capacity (days per week) as needed. Make confirming payments a standing agenda item on our team calls (alongside confirming who will make the payments that week). Revisit this topic as the project evolves and we learn more.

+1 with the following and

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The allowance/ability for people to autonomously swap their days with eachother... e.g. if Kieran wants to drop some days, Peg or Dan should be able to pick them up if they want. If the association has an alotment of 11 days per week, this can be mixed and matched amongst humans as agreed between parties.

cc: @mix @peg @Kieran @Alanna ^^^