yeah @piet! i'm very interested in the design of the data model necessary to represent the different poll types. happy to participate in a design sesh, if that would be helpful. def support gleaning all the loomio experiences from @robguthrie, i'd be happy to document notes at any such chat.

hey @dan_mi_sun just to make sure I wasn't unclear - this would be a scuttlebutt based loomio-like thing. As in it would use identities from here, so would need to figure out what you meant in terms of integrating into #MMT

Great! The key word is probably integrate. These two are different:

• A) e.g. "make it so you can use an MMT login on ssb-loomio" (integration here is programmatic)
• B) "we could use 2 tools, use MMT on rails for wallet stuff, and ssb-loomio on scuttlebutt because it's encrypted-decision making" (integration here is a process integration)

B is easy, A is harder

Really pumped for this - exciting to have the loomio thinking and team behind this.
Also super sweet how generous they've been with their time - so lovely working with projects where the goal is bettering society, not locking in the value for me. Generous abundance <3

When you say this as tooling do you mean that we would use it for making decisions on, say, grants?

There are two conflicts i see with that

• not everyone uses the same client
• loomio contains an idea of who is in the decision set, but we don't have that yet. wouldn't we need to decide this before we could use this as a tool?

note that loomio is more a decision catalyst than a concrete thing. e.g. it provides the opportunity to express a block in some times of proposals. What does that mean? There's no smart contract, the group is forced to decide how it decides, but the tool scaffolds you towards certain well thought out conversations.

What I love about this project is that we get many different sorts of polls all at once with the same model loomio team suggested :

• an international meeting booking system (like doodle)
• a dot voting system, which enables prioritisation
• proposals for consent based systems
• a scoring system for doing a temperature check (note we're doing this roughly at the moment in #ssbc-grants

With each of these, when you interact, you announce your stance, which is :

• the points / single position / date
• a reason which lets you expand on why you chose what you chose

FWIW I am delighted to see progress on ssb-loomio (coz I'm a loomio cofounder and I care about the mission more than the specific codebase) annnnd I can imagine a surge of new users of ssb-loomio once private groups are a thing. I am connected with a ton of groups who demand high security and also want to organise collaboratively.

@piet oh sorry, it makes me worry about integration into the various clients, at the moment there is no easy way to do this except to reimplement at least partially in each. If we are using it for actual decision making it's awkward (unfair?) if you have to switch clients to make sense of that thread.

Thought: maybe it's not so bad, if it was designed with a schema that was very simple to implement at least a minimum viable part of. Like, if it could be shown as a thread of comments plus thumbsup, thumbsdown, stop-hand etc, then that is super easy to add to patchfoo.

@rich interesting point!

Yes to ssb-loomio dev resulting in a simpler UI for loomio!

@dan_mi_sun of course you can!

@piet those approaches sound great!

@zelf you can check out the dev diary:

ssb-loomio Dev Diary